Our first of two guests tonight is Deep from New York state. Deep and a buddy at the time were living on a military base in Alaska in the winter of 2017. At about four am, they were travelling down a really long road, as they always did, to their company building when they started seeing these strange red lights that were flying around and breaking the laws of physics. Then we hear from Jeff from the state of Indiana, and his experiences of being involved in CSETI and using the CE5 protocols, and some of the things he has witnessed.